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    • Yeah, Texas just has to be different. There (IIRC) you can use deadly force to protect property from arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, nighttime theft, or nighttime “criminal mischief” — IF it is reasonable for you to believe that deadly force was immediately necessary. It also has to be reasonable for you to believe that there was either (1) no other way to protect or recover the property, apart from using deadly force, or (2) using force that wasn’t deadly would expose you to a substantial risk of death or serious injury. (Ask a Texas lawyer if you need to know that statute for real.)

      That’s been the law there for a while, though. It’s not new.

      In that case you cited, the jury apparently thought it was reasonable to spray a car with bullets from an AK-47 to stop a woman from fleeing with the $150 she’d just scammed you out of.

      Note, however, that the law didn’t say it was reasonable; the jury did. Other juries may not think the same way. And the authorities clearly didn’t think it was reasonable — that’s how a jury got involved in the first place. So don’t go thinking this is something you can necessarily get away with, even in Texas.

      • Hi, Texas here. The predominant attitude here, both legal and of a hypothetical reasonable person, is “fuck criminals and all they stand for, with lead when available.”
        We have the highest execution rate. And the lowest recidivism rate.

    • Looking in the other direction, I understand horse theft used to be a hanging offense (when handled through the law, that is) simply because people would die if deprived of their horse, when in areas without what we call “civilization”.

      • A corollary to that would be that if someone tries to steal your horse outside a town, lethal force is justified by reason of self-defense. It’s not “just” stealing any more, it meets the standards for murder 2.

  1. Matt Holden says

    Doesn’t this run afoul of Florida’s much publicized “Stand your Ground” law?

    • What the hell does this have to do with “Stand Your Ground” laws? I can’t see how anyone could possibly mistake the two.

  2. Rpbert says

    Nopeasaurus. Florida’s law still requires a person to reasonably be in fear of death or serious harm to oneself or another before deadly force is ever justified.

  3. jdgalt says

    Where exactly does “non-deadly force” end and the deadly kind begin? For instance, suppose I shoot the rustler’s horse from under him. Is that OK, or is it deadly force merely because I used a gun to do it?

    • A gun is something that’s pretty likely to kill or severely wound someone, so it’s deadly force. Using the gun — shooting it — is using deadly force. The fact that you didn’t mean to kill anyone by shooting the gun doesn’t change the fact that you were using deadly force.

      • Does the law have provision for the nonlethal rounds you can get for shotguns, or would someone using one be in the same boat as someone who used normal shot?

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