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  1. WJS says

    It sounds like a horrible idea really. Charging someone with a crime they didn’t commit, no matter how much evidence there is they didn’t do it. It seems like it would preclude all possibility of defense too, since proving that you didn’t do it doesn’t get you a damn thing. That doesn’t sound like justice to me.

    • “no matter how much evidence there is they didn’t do it” is naive. The idea is that you shouldn’t have conspired to commit a crime in the first place.

      Going back to the earlier chapters on the mens-rea scale – it’s pretty easy to imagine conspiracies having something similar, but it basically starts at Reckless and quickly scales to Knowing. If I commit/plan a robbery, and someone gets hurt or killed in the process by a conspirator, I may not have intended that (I wanted easy cash, not a fight!), and I may not have done that, but maybe I shouldn’t have been planning an action likely to devolve into violence in the first place? It gets worse if, say, I hire someone I know has violent tendencies, or equip them with weaponry (even with an intent not to use it).

      If a crime is *truly* disconnected from the original conspiracy – e.g. the ATM robbery in the example story – then sure, a prosecutor trying to slip in conspiracy is on shaky grounds. But in many other cases, it’s hardly unjust.

  2. I guess it depends on how unrelated crime B is to plan A. Once people start deviating from the plan, they are on continuum from “part of crime A” to “unrelated to crime A”. So who gets to decide how related everyone’s actions are?

    If one person brought a gun and nobody else did, I would be willing to believe that it was not what everyone else signed up for and would not want to convict them for that part.

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