{"id":2512,"date":"2014-03-02T16:44:39","date_gmt":"2014-03-02T21:44:39","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/lawcomic.net\/guide\/?p=2512"},"modified":"2023-08-07T19:06:28","modified_gmt":"2023-08-07T23:06:28","slug":"43-the-right-to-counsel","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/lawcomic.net\/guide\/?p=2512","title":{"rendered":"43. The Right to Counsel?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-4099\" src=\"https:\/\/lawcomic.net\/guide\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/03\/pt04pg43-1.png\" alt=\"In 1964, the Supreme Court tacked on a Sixth Amendment right to counsel, in addition to its Due Process voluntariness test, but still ignoring the Fifth Amendment's self-incrimination clause. Once you had actually been charged in court, you had to have a lawyer during any subsequent interrogation. This did not affect police interrogations before being charged in court.\" width=\"700\" srcset=\"https:\/\/lawcomic.net\/guide\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/03\/pt04pg43-1.png 2800w, https:\/\/lawcomic.net\/guide\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/03\/pt04pg43-1-247x300.png 247w, https:\/\/lawcomic.net\/guide\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/03\/pt04pg43-1-768x933.png 768w, https:\/\/lawcomic.net\/guide\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/03\/pt04pg43-1-843x1024.png 843w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2800px) 100vw, 2800px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Note that this only applied <em>after<\/em> you&#8217;d been charged in court. It did not apply to usual police interrogations that take place\u00a0<em>before<\/em> you&#8217;ve been charged.<\/p>\n<p>If you want to see just how frustrating the unguided &#8220;voluntariness&#8221; approach was, just try to read Frankfurter&#8217;s opinion in\u00a0<em>Culombe v. Connecticut<\/em>, in which he tries for pages and pages and pages to make sense of it and justify it, but in the end only proves what a mockery it had become. It&#8217;s kinda sad, because he&#8217;d believed in it for so long. A simple guiding principle along the lines of common-law entrapment doctrine would have sufficed (i.e., if the subject had originally not intended to confess, and the police threatened or cajoled or otherwise made him change his mind, then the confession was per se involuntary). But&#8230;<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/lawcomic.net\/guide\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/03\/Image3.png\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-2516\" src=\"https:\/\/lawcomic.net\/guide\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/03\/Image3.png\" alt=\"badtime\" width=\"400\" height=\"400\" srcset=\"https:\/\/lawcomic.net\/guide\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/03\/Image3.png 400w, https:\/\/lawcomic.net\/guide\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/03\/Image3-150x150.png 150w, https:\/\/lawcomic.net\/guide\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/03\/Image3-300x300.png 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 400px) 100vw, 400px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Note that this only applied after you&#8217;d been charged in court. It did not apply to usual police interrogations that take place\u00a0before you&#8217;ve been charged. If you want to see just how frustrating the unguided &#8220;voluntariness&#8221; approach was, just try &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/lawcomic.net\/guide\/?p=2512\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_sitemap_exclude":false,"_sitemap_priority":"","_sitemap_frequency":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[34,43,1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-2512","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-criminal-procedure","category-self-incrimination","category-uncategorized"],"aioseo_notices":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/lawcomic.net\/guide\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2512","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/lawcomic.net\/guide\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/lawcomic.net\/guide\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/lawcomic.net\/guide\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/lawcomic.net\/guide\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=2512"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/lawcomic.net\/guide\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2512\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/lawcomic.net\/guide\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=2512"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/lawcomic.net\/guide\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=2512"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/lawcomic.net\/guide\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=2512"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}