{"id":6654,"date":"2021-09-27T06:30:00","date_gmt":"2021-09-27T10:30:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/lawcomic.net\/guide\/?p=6654"},"modified":"2023-11-02T16:46:39","modified_gmt":"2023-11-02T20:46:39","slug":"84-why-states","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/lawcomic.net\/guide\/?p=6654","title":{"rendered":"84. Why States?"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full is-resized\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/lawcomic.net\/guide\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/pt02pg84-Why-a-State.webp\" alt=\"People formed the first state-level societies, despite the massive loss of liberty and equality, because they're a great solution to a unique set of problems.\" class=\"wp-image-9831\" style=\"width:1200px\"\/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-left wp-block-paragraph\">.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-left wp-block-paragraph\">.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-left wp-block-paragraph\">.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-left wp-block-paragraph\">To be fair&#8230;<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"alignleft size-full is-resized\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" src=\"https:\/\/lawcomic.net\/guide\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/09\/letterkenny-to-be-fair-1.gif\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-6658\" style=\"width:640px;height:360px\" srcset=\"https:\/\/lawcomic.net\/guide\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/09\/letterkenny-to-be-fair-1.gif 640w, https:\/\/lawcomic.net\/guide\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/09\/letterkenny-to-be-fair-1-500x281.gif 500w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\" \/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-left wp-block-paragraph\">&#8230;the original quote wasn&#8217;t that the State has a monopoly on violence, but rather that the State is a &#8220;\u201chuman community that (successfully) claims the monopoly of the legitimate use of physical force within a given territory.\u201d Max Weber first said that in a 1919 speech, about a very different kind of state (the Westphalian nation-state) than the one we&#8217;re discussing, and in a very different context.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-left wp-block-paragraph\">(The original German is: Heute dagegen warden wir sagen m\u00fcssen: Staat ist diejenige menschliche Gemeinschaft, welche innerhalb eines bestimmten Gebietes\u2014dies: das &#8220;Gebiet,&#8221; geh\u00f6rt zum Merkmal\u2014das <em>Monopol legitimer physischer Gewaltsamkeit<\/em> f\u00fcr sich (mit Erfolg) beansprucht.)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-left wp-block-paragraph\">We can argue about Weber&#8217;s statement in the comments (in fact, I&#8217;m kinda hoping we do). But the quote that always gets thrown around? It&#8217;s neither accurate nor correct.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-left wp-block-paragraph\">Here&#8217;s a question that could start a debate: When Weber spoke of the &#8220;legitimate&#8221; use of violence, who did he think would decide what counted as &#8220;legitimate?&#8221; The State? Politicians? Those committing violence on the State&#8217;s behalf? The citizenry? Something else? Is that different from how Bronze Age peoples would have thought? 21st-century Americans?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>. . . 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